TOPIC: Went to Dr. C today

Thank you for the verification Olafspo and glad to see you are doing well. If more patients are willing to do this we may be able to associated lumps and other issues with specific production lots of the Metacril.

Hi Bigben,

I do understand your point in regard of the mixture (the 20%) and thats why I do agree with SO what he mentioned in another thread it will be nice if :- \" Metacril or Linnea Safe were to introduce a 20% Concentration as a special batch offer to Dr. C\'s clinic (or as a product altogether) \".

But I am sure Dr.C. has a great experience in PMMA bioplasty, he followed his patients regularly, he must have seen 1000\'s of cases of PMMA different conc.\'s results and he is doing his best to improve his aesthetic results which is a challenging thing and difficult to get esp. with PMMA in a dynamic organ, but in regard of the gain from PMMA (he is 100% sure about it so he is neither worried about getting the gain nor in a hurry he wants to get the gain slowly ), so if we think about it why should he bother to produce the 20% ? Unless he had seen many bad aesthetic results from 30%.

As I said above I do agree if Metacrill introduce the 20% conc. for his office it will be better.

In regard of Dr.L. did inject Silikon1000 in Irishfan\'s penis???? ; if we remember Dr.L. mentioned in his article you have to wait for 4-6 wks between rds and he knows that is a must (to wait for the collagen to be formed and this is true for all permanent filler) but he didn\'t wait, in the opposite he injected Irishfan the 2nd rd. within one week from the 1st rd. (1st rd was on the 26th of July and the 2nd one was on the 1st or the 2nd of August) that tells us that his mixture most properly does not contain a permanent filler (neither Silikon nor Artefill) otherwise he knows the danger of injecting permanent filler two rds. within one week, the other thing Dr.C. examined his penis and that was around 4 wks from the 1st rd. and 3 wks from the 2nd rd. and he didn\'t feel any temporary filler (which should be there from day one) or any new collagen formation from a permanent filler (usually around 3wks you will have the start of new collagen formation) also Irishfan stated that he has zero gain, as if he didn\'t have any procedure.

Btw my treating Dr.Samy mentioned he injects only 30% and he uses this conc. also for touch-ups and he is against 10%, Dr.Samy is interested mostly in quick Girth gain (mostly within 2 rds.) and satisfy his patients more than looking for better aesthetic results in the other hand Dr.C. he knows he can reach the Girth that the patient wants but he wants to get it slowly with a bit more rds. and he found by this technique he can have better and controllable aesthetic results, that is only my opinion.

Well right now I am a hair over 5.5 ms. It\'s pretty even. When I went I was not sure he was going to do it. I knew he may refuse after exam. Dr.C and Wade were very confident it had no permanent fillers. They didn\'t feel anything. In order for them to do this they made me come back the next day. They said it was perfect and it is. Everything is even. I only massaged it for two minutes last night. No bumps, lumps or uneven ness. I was afraid to mess it up.

I told him if I did not gain an Inch my wife wouldn\'t let me come back. That is why I wanted the 30%. If it stayed like this we will both be happy and I will be back in six weeks.

Also I have no swelling and really no bruising. A very small light bruise. You wouldn\'t see if if you didn\'t look real hard

\"so if we think about it why should he bother to produce the 20% ? Unless he had seen many bad aesthetic results from 30%.\"

This will not be a very popular answer but I will say it anyway. Dr C may advocate 20% vs 30% because it requires more trips to his office and thereby generates more revenue. The argument about the lumps may have been created merely to discourage patients from pursuing unadulterated 30% metacril. I do not recall hearing about the lumps from Dr N\'s 30% patients, and she also provides the product packaging. As I have stated, I do think mixing the 20% in house is not a good idea. It may not mix evenly at a magnified level, and you don\'t really know if he is mixing with lower concentration metacril or another material altogether.

Nobody except Loria knows what is inside Irish\'s penis. It is clear that unlike other PE Dr\'s, this forum has a heavy bias toward taking everything Dr C says at face value, and will defend all of his decisions with little regard to the circumstances. This is unwise for all parties involved, including the doctor, since it does not lead to improved treatment. But I see no point in repeating myself at this point, so lets just say we disagree.

And wishing you the luck o the Irish, Irishfan.

Thank you, but if I have to count on luck I am in trouble . I can\'t stop staring at it. How long before the PMMA startes to harden and my penis won\'t retract so much?

Bigben wrote: \"so if we think about it why should he bother to produce the 20% ? Unless he had seen many bad aesthetic results from 30%.\" This will not be a very popular answer but I will say it anyway. Dr C may advocate 20% vs 30% because it requires more trips to his office and thereby generates more revenue.

This is typical of the temporary filler market. Temporary fillers are popular because it requires multiple trips and thus more revenue. I would contend the opposite with Dr. C.

You ought to keep in mind that Dr. C really doesn\'t have a legitimate contender on this side of the Atlantic and pretty much commands penile bioplasty north of Brazil & West of Europe. This idea that he\'d provide less than ideal product for his patients in order to get an extra buck is absurd - and I only say this because the information regarding his practice is all over both the old & current forums. The need to do more rounds actually improves your aesthetic outcome - this is how FFT works nowadays. Doctors don\'t overfill, they give you Girth spaced out between sessions to gradually layer your size until you reach your desired Girth.

Dr. C has competition, yes, however a solid argument could be made that he is or will eventually become the foremost expert in the field of penile bioplasty. I doubt he\'s terribly concerned about business drying up, let alone risking his prestige by overlooking the quality of 20% as opposed to 30%.

I actually had a phone conversation with Wade recently regarding my next round and we discussed this matter. Wade said that 20% has a solid track record and they haven\'t seen it to be problematic to a degree warranting its discontinuation.

Irishfan wrote: Thank you, but if I have to count on luck I am in trouble . I can\'t stop staring at it. How long before the PMMA startes to harden and my penis won\'t retract so much?

About a week out you\'ll have a more natural looking penis, but your end result may not be realized for a few months. Patience buddy, and don\'t be terribly upset if it dips below 5.5, as the swelling is probably still present. While you did get a lot of quantity and concentration, it also depends on your body\'s immune response...though I\'d be surprised if you didn\'t crack 5.5\" as your final measurement, we\'ll have to see - good luck!

I agree, given his near cult like status and lack of competition, I highly doubt his business will dry up anytime soon. Your reply basically supports my belief that in everyone\'s opinion (except my own) he can do no wrong. The potential problem here is that eventually the temptation to cut corners and put his own interests ahead of his patients becomes very strong. For example injecting less expensive fillers, or increasing the number of treatments needed in order to maximize profit.

I would always prefer to visit a provider who has competition because it creates a healthy market, not one where he has all the leverage and can call out terms and conditions maximizing his own self interest rather than focusing on the clients long term well being.

PE doctors lie period. I encourage members to inspect what you expect, and trust but verify. This rather than accolades or a fist full of dollars will keep the doctor honest.

Always remember the reason doctors pursue the PE field is because it means money, lots and lots of money. Otherwise they would pursue legitimate areas of medicine which are more competitive and less lucrative yet garner the respect of their peers.

@Irishfan,

I do understand your concerns about the amount of gain you will get from this injection esp. after the disappointment from Dr.L.\'s mixture but you have to give your body\'s immune systen time to do his job (around 80%) around the PMMA beads (around 20%) (my advice to you is not to measure your penis daily just give it time) as far as I remember the lowest point will be between day 6-10 post injection (and it will be great to know your measurement at this period) and most of the gain will be noticed after 3 wks.

Hi everyone , this is my first time on this site.. I have a question for anyone that had doc E. implant.. I called the phone number that was listed. The 310.652.2600 number. Got a recording .. Left message. Then a guy called me back from a different number .. And he said I needed to send 2500 first before I could schedule a date.. My question , is this the normal process ? Or is someone trying to scam me out of 2500??? Thx

Thank you all. I wi try not to measure but that will be hard. I measure everyday normally. Not sure why. I am going back for round two at the last week of Sept. or the first week of Oct. on the plane now and everything feels great. Can\'t wait to show my wife. Not having sex for a few days is going to be hard. I told her I was going to lick he pussy all night tonight. hope she let\'s me

Doc E or Elist is a terrible doctor. You will not be scammed out of your money, but you will lose your manhood due to his flawed implant. Just read the thread about him. And don\'t let the board persuade you that PMMA safe either.

Either you are joking or have not read the forum for very long.

Yea , I am new to this board, I have read good and bad things about all the different PE. But most the bad reviews I have read about the implants were from the old implants. Not much from the new implants. I\'m just beginning my journey into PE. Thx for the info... I could use all the info I can get on my journey...

The implant will cause the penis to get short and crooked. there is a guy named messageman who wrote what amounts to a short story about it, I would definitely read that first.

Also a guy mustang had it removed for complications too.

I think most guys eventually have to have it pulled out. They PMMA is not as bad at the beginning, but it can not be removed without great difficulty if something goes wrong. good luck.

Thx BBEN.. I\'m not real clear what PMMA actually is.. I\'m new to all of the procedures.. I live in Indiana, and there is none of these types of docs around. PE docs that is.. Do you no if message man and mustang had the old or new implant?