TOPIC: PMMA or Ellanse?

Go non permanent. PMMA has great reviews soon after but then with time it hardens and clumps.

The reviews of the Dr. in Italy are to early to call. wait till patients are a year or two out before you judge the reviews. Dr. N had great reviews first but then went bad with time as complications that occurred sometime after procedure happened to her patients. No reason the same won\'t happen to the other doctor when they are using the exact same filler. The review by the Dr in Italy is a bit manic TBH.

PMMA from my experience seems to harden and clump. I am 21 months out from just one procedure in the last few weeks I have noticed it has got even harder and clumped into one big lump running down shaft that can easily pulled away from shaft when Flaccid. IT IS STILL CHANGING NEARLY TWO YEARS AFTER PROCEDURE.

If you just care what the tape says and not on aesthetics and particularly feeling then maybe PMMA is best for you.

sg0123456 wrote: My problem with Elanse is that I have read it lumps up over time and also its hard to do refills. With the experience I have from fillers both these are big problems.

So have I, but only from posts like this. If you have specific instances where people described this scenario please post the links, as I\'m sure we\'re all interested!

sg0123456 wrote: Voluma is a bitch with top ups every 8 months and insanely expensive but I know I will come out with a big, healthy and good looking penis (and not too soft for me although I\'d prefer it a little harder). If I were to fuck up my penis either permanently or even for 4 years I dont even want to think what I would do.

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I completely understand this reasoning, and it\'s the safest way to go. On the other hand, I personally opt not to go with voluma because of the total cost plus maint. cost, and that I know a good amount of guys were not satisfied and had it dissolved. My erections are rock hard and I can\'t stand the thought of spending all that money and then \"prefer it a little harder.\" Likewise, I understand why guys like @hoddle10 and @biggy don\'t think Ellanse is a good idea and opted for PMMA. On the otherhand, I just plain out don\'t want something that lasts \'the rest of my life\' ... that\'s just me ... so even though Ellanse is a risk, and 4 years is a long time if things fuck up, I would opt for that over PMMA.Basically, I\'m saying that I can see all viewpoints, and why different guys choose different options. I spoke to Ray, Morganstern\'s patient consultant (I don\'t know what his title is really) about all of this. He\'s had voluma, maybe FFT (i forget) and more recently Ellanse. He told me that he always asks guys what their situation is first. For example, if they\'re married and just want the extra Girth, maybe they don\'t care if it\'s a little softer or detectable. Anyway, lots of trade-offs, and there is no clear path that will work for everyone with the options we\'re discussing.

sg0123456 wrote: My problem with Elanse is that I have read it lumps up over time and also its hard to do refills.

I asked about the lumps above. As far as hard to do refills, I\'m sure that Dr. Oats and Morganstern said it is not a problem, as long as you wait until the inflammation phase is done, and that needles are most likely needed. I\'ve posted elsewhere an article discussing what is required to safely use needles when a cannula can\'t e used.

Mate i\'m wishing you best of luck. I cant wait for something that lasts for 4 years while staying in place and in shape! Hope you have some great feedback for us...

sg0123456 wrote: Mate i\'m wishing you best of luck. I cant wait for something that lasts for 4 years while staying in place and in shape! Hope you have some great feedback for us...

I'll let you know in 4 years. Now we only have almost 2 years (?) down for subtle77...

mediatps wrote: What I dont understand is if both fillers are collagen stimulators why the collagen growth stimulated by the Ellanse disappears and the PMMA collagen doesnt? Does your body just digest the collagen when the Ellanse eventually dissolves?

Where on Earth are you getting this information from?? Ellanse is a collagen stimulator and does not eliminate your collagen growth. It does the opposite. It is Ellanse that eventually disappears from your body, while keeping the collagen it has stimulated your body to grow. PMMA, on the other hand, stays in your body for the rest of your life, along with any collagen it was able to grow for you.

It now makes sense to me why more people are not requesting Ellanse in much higher numbers. There\'s an enormous amount of misinformation out there. Makes sense.

chester wrote: Where on Earth are you getting this information from?? Ellanse is a collagen stimulator and does not eliminate your collagen growth. It does the opposite.

I think he was asking about whether or not the collagen generated by ellanse lasts after the PCL is gone in 2/3/4 years. People talk about it lasting 4 years, but not much is known how much of the collagen you keep after that, and how long. I had to dig to find Dr. Oats comment on that:

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/ell...&highlight=half-life

It seems to be saying in theory, you\'d have half of the type 1 collagen that was produced 15 years later. All this remains to be seen ... I really was not able to find any further info on this, besides Dr. Oats comment.

I don\'t know what made me think of this, but the only other downside to PMMA that crossed my mind is the risk of being in the small group that got the \"kitty litter\" scent post PMMA. I tend to think the risk is pretty small, based on the number of guys who reported it, but still... it would make me think twice as this is permanent.

I have made an appointment with the new Italian Dr in Monte Carlo on the 20th november. I am now suffering from last minute panic mainly to do with how natural PMMA/Collagen will feel in my penis. Especailly being uncircumcised. I have HA at the moment which due to its softness actually feels and looks quite natural as it doesn\'t have any hard defined edges. I am worrying now that PMMA will feel completely different and be extremely obvious to the touch that there is something foreign inside my penis. Can anyone reassure me that this isn\'t the case? I still have the option of cancelling and going with Ellanse but I don\'t know if this will be any different.

mediatps wrote: I have made an appointment with the new Italian Dr in Monte Carlo on the 20th november.

Good luck.

mediatps wrote: I have HA at the moment which due to its softness actually feels and looks quite natural as it doesn\'t have any hard defined edges. I am worrying now that PMMA will feel completely different and be extremely obvious to the touch that there is something foreign inside my penis.

I don\'t see if you documented what your issue is with HA, how much you gained from it, and what is your reason for wanting something else (e.g, HA is too soft, too expensive, too frequently needed top ups...).

HA is a little soft if you want a serious gain. I imagine between 15ml on n average 6 Inch penis would be ok but anything over that and it might just feel to soft when your penis is Erect. You would lose the firm feeling. I want something that can get me to a happier and more content place, is a little firmer and something I don\'t need to keep worrying about.

Can anyone tell me how much softer Ellanse will be over PMMA? Is it logical that they will be the same firmness because of the collagen. I am thinking that Ellanse might be better at hiding slight aesthetic abnormailites because it is a little softer and won\'t be so obvious to the touch. Can this be backed up at all?

mediatps wrote: Can anyone tell me how much softer Ellanse will be over PMMA? Is it logical that they will be the same firmness because of the collagen. I am thinking that Ellanse might be better at hiding slight aesthetic abnormailites because it is a little softer and won\'t be so obvious to the touch. Can this be backed up at all?

The only difference between these fillers in real terms, is what the particles are made of. They all work in the same way, even silicone micro droplets.

PMMA comes in different concentrations. 10% is obviously going to be softer than 30%. I\'m not sure what percentage of Ellanse is particles and what is carrier, but the density of the collagen will depend on the amount and size of particles.

All that happens with these particulate fillers is that your body recognises they are foreign and walls them off in collagen. It doesn\'t recognise brands of filler. So it\'s the amount of particles that really makes the difference to how the filler feels. The more tightly packed they are, the more dense (ie noticeable) the collagen will be.

Ellanse is 30 percent PCL.

drsiew.com/ellanse-everything-need-know-...-stimulating-filler/

See the graph which indicates when the carrier is gone.

I have been unable to find anything about how long the generated collagen lasts, other than a post by Dr oates saying that the half-life is 15 years. I am guessing he may have gotten that from a non public access medical journal.

think wrote: Ellanse is 30 percent PCL.

drsiew.com/ellanse-everything-need-know-...-stimulating-filler/

See the graph which indicates when the carrier is gone.

I have been unable to find anything about how long the generated collagen lasts, other than a post by Dr oates saying that the half-life is 15 years. I am guessing he may have gotten that from a non public access medical journal.

The graph was very accurate for me. I'm just at the 12 weeks mark now.