TOPIC: Considering the elist implant

I am kind of curious why you are here? Given you haven\'t received the warmest welcome, apologies for that, and that you knew that this was not the place where you were going to optimistically chat up Elist and his implant - you knew that when you logged on since you had read the board previously.

Do you want to correct the record about Elist? Not saying you are a shill, I\'m just wondering what you hope to get out of being on here since you will probably not be making friends defending Elist. No one wants to see anything bad happen to you - but no one wants some poor kid reading your posts either and thinking his implant is a good idea. It can take a decade or more to get out of the woods once things go wrong. Those can frequently be some of your prime adult years. At the same time, I feel bad for you defending a procedure you just had when guys tell you how absolutely horrible it could all go.

I think you will find people are torn between accepting you as a member undergoing PE and repelled by your sort of blase/optimistic attitude about Elist and his implant. Not blaming you for being optimistic but a lot of guys on here are not going to let you figuratively sell your successful experience either, especially the guys that had the misfortune of crossing his path. But you sort of knew all this when you joined - so that is why I am wondering what you want from this board?

By the way, he is not out of business for 1 reason. If something goes horribly wrong with your implant, will you feel comfortable about suing him and in the process outing yourself as the guy that had a silicone implant put in his small Dick so he could get over his size insecurity? This includes your coworkers, family, friends and neighbors knowing - probably not. That\'s why you are jjk and I am 10003. Aside from the embarrassment, there is the demoralization and financial resources needed to sue as well. It\'s not like the average guy is going to call his dad and say \"my Phalloplasty surgeon was a butcher\" - and the dad will say \"don\'t worry we are going to sue the shit out of him and get you whole.\"

Like I said I hope you have a success story but I also hope you keep it to yourself so some young guy comes along and follows your path which may or may not change a lot over the next year.

jjk wrote: I will keep reporting my progress...so far I am happy with the results but I do not take for granted that it will all end well given some of the stories in here...particularly the Dane who was very happy at first with the results...I do think that the recovery process should be better explained on his website as the website focuses on the end results...not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time. It should be pointed out that the Flaccid length and Girth are improved immediately....as is the Erect Girth. Also, the way that the surgery is actually performed is misrepresented on his website. In his video it looks like the implant is slipped over the penis by being inserted at the incision line. In reality, the penis skin is rolled down your penis...like a condom and the implant attached. I guess it doesn\'t really matter how the sausage is made...lol..as long as it gets made and tastes good. Bad analogy but you get my point. Dr. Ali...the doctor that did some of my post op follow up did explain everything in full detail and admitted that the website was a little misleading. He also confirmed that the doctor is averaging 4 surgeries a day. I paid $13,500.00...he now charges $14,500.00 for the surgery. Thus Dr. Elist is making over $50,000.00 a day. His patent is probably worth a billion dollars...no exaggeration. He could retire any time he wants yet he continues to do the surgeries. You can\'t doubt that he has a passion for what he does. I know those numbers won\'t sit well with the folks in here but they are facts. His waiting room was full of dudes every time I went. I had my surgery on a Monday and followed up every day through Friday that week. Never an empty seat. cha ching!!

I highlighted the above. Can you explain how your penile skin was rolled over, which means it had to be cut around the penis at the end of the glans; this is called degloving, when your pix show the typical elist huge uneven incision at the base of your stomach?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Consider this; PacificOcean starts a thread about his consideration to get elist implant, he comes to this board, now he says he is NOT going to get the implant, jjk apears out of no where, talks about his experience, PacificOcean hasn\'t said a word about his thread being hijacked by jjk...hmmmm...We need detective Columbo here!

\"not mentioning that you lose length at first and have to wait 6 to 8 months to get back to pre-op Erect length and eventually more over time.\"

From the reports I\'ve read this can\'t be more wrong.. This has also been mentioned in this very thread! Why do you ignore it and insist you will gain more length over time? Becouse the doc with the nickname \"the butcher of Hollywood\" said so? It has been proven by many members here and elsewhere that You WILL loose lenght

And when shit hits the fan, and you have to take it out, it will be even worse..

Those Germans at Deutchses zentrum Urology now have have an extensive article on their website warning people the most dangerous procedure is Dr Elists implant, apparently Prof Lemperle has spoken publicly about it.
It absolutely blows my mind how he gets away with it, no normal person would be capable of getting away with it for so long, he has to be a sociopath.

jjk wrote: Here are some pics. I thank you in advance mustang for your apology LMFAO

No problem jjk, you are now an elite member of the elist victims club (EVC, LOL) such as Messageman, Dane, myself and others.

My challenge produced exactly what was expected..Thx man!

I am still surprised you signed those papers being an attorney and all. I did sign them papers while elist hands was covering most of them to keep me from reading them. I am an Engineer so I was, am, very stupid for signing them...I read them AFTER the operation!!! how can an intelligent man do this? I guess the glory of having a big penis was way overwhelming, as I suspect was the case with you.

Hey, let\'s see how it develops for you. But I am telling you right now, there is NO way you will gain any length, in fact you WILL lose EL. I hope you do not mind the truth!

As MM said, good luck!

I hope you keep posting your progress, good or bad. You will get the proper support here.

I\'m fairly confident he isn\'t a shill. It\'s amazing how easy it is to rationalize things in a way that allows us to choose the option we want. I can see how someone could ignore all the horror stories and try and rationalize them in a way that allows them to conclude the Elist implant is worth the gamble.

Here are some pics. I thank you in advance mustang for your apology LMFAO

I think your bang on with that Hoddle, that\'s exactly what I did with my procedure, I ignored logic in favour of information that I knew didn\'t quite add up in order for me to go through with it.
It\'s a classic case of Confirmation Bias, you will interpret all available information in a way that fits in with the pre existing belief that the procedure you\'ve decided on is the best option.

Reklaw....what exactly happened to you. I hear a lot of adjectives thrown around in here but no actual personal experiences....and by the same people for years on end. I actually started to post in here to see what other Elist patients had to say who had RECENTLY done the procedure so I could gauge where I was with my healing relative to them. Crazy right? So far, I have been called names and had my I.Q. challenged. I feel like the Donald Trump of this forum. Most were so sure I was a shill and had no pics. I posted them so I hope I have gotten past that accusation. I would like it if other people who actually have had the surgery recently post in here so we can learn from each other\'s experiences. Most probably won\'t want to get involved in here because if they say anything somewhat positive about their experience then they will be attacked. Maybe I am in the wrong forum. MODERATOR, Is this a forum ONLY for people who had bad experiences or is it a forum for all who have had the Elist procedure to chat? I am still healing so I can\'t say that I am completely happy with it until I have completely healed. I am willing to reserve judgment until the time frame given to me by the doctor which was about 8 months

I know you don\'t lack intelligence, I was just being lazy with my words because you get sick of repeating the same thing over and over again.
Your just a victim of the Phalloplasty industry.
The only industry on earth where 99% of the options available actually make things worse, and 9 times out of 10 the most heavily marketed and medically endorsed options are actually the worst.
I have a retarded looking penis thanks to a crazy Mongoloid called Dr Kim, check out the MegaFill thread.

jjk wrote: Reklaw....what exactly happened to you. I hear a lot of adjectives thrown around in here but no actual personal experiences....and by the same people for years on end. I actually started to post in here to see what other Elist patients had to say who had RECENTLY done the procedure so I could gauge where I was with my healing relative to them. Crazy right? So far, I have been called names and had my I.Q. challenged. I feel like the Donald Trump of this forum. Most were so sure I was a shill and had no pics. I posted them so I hope I have gotten past that accusation. I would like it if other people who actually have had the surgery recently post in here so we can learn from each other\'s experiences. Most probably won\'t want to get involved in here because if they say anything somewhat positive about their experience then they will be attacked. Maybe I am in the wrong forum. MODERATOR, Is this a forum ONLY for people who had bad experiences or is it a forum for all who have had the Elist procedure to chat? I am still healing so I can\'t say that I am completely happy with it until I have completely healed. I am willing to reserve judgment until the time frame given to me by the doctor which was about 8 months

This forum essentially only exists due to Dr Elist shilling a previous forum called MyNewSize. They duped a lot of men into having surgery via false testimony and as a result many guys had their lives ruined. We set this forum up to be impartial (as those who tried to tell the truth about Elist had posts removed and were banned from MNS), but a number of pro Elist shill accounts popped up, hence, to this day, members are naturally very suious of guys who come along and have had surgery with him. I think often we tend to assume that most people know the truth about Elist and his procedure as it\'s so well documented here. But the reality is, we are just a small forum and Elist has been on a massive marketing campaign, so the average guy researching him is only going to find the false positive testimonies of medical review sites (try posting negative stuff and it will get deleted) and paid for articles like the one found in GQ. Some members even emailed the \"journalist\" who wrote the GQ article, but they weren\'t the least bit interested in the truth.

Recent implant stories aren\'t really what you should be interested in. You need to find guys who have had the implant longer term, 3 years plus. If there isn\'t any proof that the Elist implant is a permanent solution, then one has to start to consider what happens when the implant is removed. Recent stories aren\'t useful, as even the likes of Mustang had his implant for a year or 2 before it required Removal.

Jjk
My post was overly harsh. It\'s just that I have seen so many Elist implants ruin men\'s lives...Not only physically but psychologically ....
Our forum always welcomes new info and we pride ourselves on our transparency...But Dr. Elist really holds a special dark place on this board.
I wish you the best of luck with your implant. Truly.
But could you do me a favor and read the following thread (posted by The Dane)? He was (is) a member who had the implant and started posting while he still had it.

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/my-...hlight=dane&trail=30

I look forward to your updates and don\'t hesitate to private message me if you have any concerns or questions (about the implant...or anything)
Pat

For me the people who had the surgery recently...mine was January 23rd...is relevant because I am still in the healing stage and want to see how others are recovering. I did get a private message sent to me from someone who had the surgery 9 years ago with the old 2 piece implant...mine is a one piece. He is going to have his replaced soon with the newer version. He lost more Erect length than me...2 inches post op compared to my 1 Inch. He had an issue with scar tissue so that he could regain his Erect length which was 6. He now is at 6.5. He used weights etc to get there. I hope I don\'t need to do that.

A comment I would make is that people in here should be more welcoming to newcomers into the forum... Especially people who have already had the surgery because I made the choice to do it and maybe others can learn from my experience...good and bad. At least people can know that what I\'m saying is true and offered with no ulterior motive. Many might read my posts and think...hey, I don\'t want to wait 8 months to see final results and have to live with a smaller than before Erect penis. Regardless, the Girth gain is great and undeniable

*There is a lot of skepticism on this board because we have had a large number of Elist shills (infiltrating our board) who have tried to con men into undergoing this risky procedure in the past. I am sure when you were perusing this website you came across these Elist shills and saw how they were exposed (beyond a shadow of a doubt).
*Members here are skeptical because they can\'t understand why anybody would undergo such a risky procedure with so much evidence pointing to the danger of the Implant.
*i don\'t think the issue is the 8 months it takes to get your length back (which is untrue)...The issue is that the implant will eventually have to be removed and it will lead to permanent damage to your penis.

You are saying that a member on here has had the implant for 9 years and messaged you? And he has never changed
his implant once?
I am truly surprised (but do believe you) because out of all the implant recipients (dozens) I have had contact with (dating back to 2009), I don\'t know one that still has it in.
And these are including recipients I met on the old Elist shill site (My NewSize)....We all encouraged each other to get it...
We were told there was only a 2% chance of it ever having to be removed (due to complications). The doctor did tell us that some men had to have it removed because it was just too big and the partners couldn\'t take the size. Of course the doctor let us know if it were removed, there would be no complications . I guess he didn\'t know about the scar tissue and retraction issues at that time.
You also say he used weights (with the implant) to regain his length? I do know that until very recently, any form of stretcher or weights were discouraged by Elist because it might dislodge the implant.

Anybody who has been on PhalloBoards and other (unbiased websites such as Thunders.org) for as long as I have think of Dr. Elist as a liar, manipulator, and sociopath.. It\'s that simple. Why? Please type in Elist into the search engine and truly read read each thread. It will take you hours but you will be much more informed ..You will see the pain and suffering this man has caused....
And you certainly won\'t need to ask why people are being so skeptical or unwelcoming of you (at first)..



Again, good luck with the Implant...