TOPIC: Best option right now?? New, well-informed, kinda confused, but too depressed to accept my dick

Do you agree about the marbles?

It\'s good for him to read all these posts, however negative they may be. I shouldn\'t say it openly but sometimes it\'s good to scare the hell out of them so that they just leave themselves as they are! If not, well, they\'ve been warned ...

jogift wrote: Do you agree about the marbles?

Hmm, I\'ve been researching PE for years, and was an active member of pegym and thunders, but I have to say I\'ve not heard of that one yet!

~LL

The thread \"Beading\" or google \"genital pearling.\" It\'s a huge world out there ...

jogift wrote: It\'s a huge world out there ...

Yeah, it is, but I\'ll pass on this one. As you said earlier \"sieve out the irrelevants.\"

~LL

Hoddle, how did you inject the HA and how many CCs of it did you inject? That may effect the result.

I am in a situation where I have very bizarre dents all over the place, along with scars. So, I was anticipating injecting Juvederm voluma and/or Belotero into these areas to give it some appearance of smoothness. I already did a trial run with 3cc saline. Even pure saline didn\'t feel that weird when Erect, but it didnt have the thickness to push out the dents. So, it was sort of a failed trial. Anyway, obviously I am not going to go near PMMA again, but hearing that HA was such a failure makes me wonder if you can share more info on how you did it. I\'ve had juvederm injected in my face and it just blends in after the first month of initial swelling...same with Restylane (which was used in the Korean study where the men were happy).

Did you get any sense that it could be made immobile or was it always something that felt free-floating? This is a huge issue for me since it is deliberately supposed to go under areas where chunks of skin and PMMA were cut out and i have dents and scars.

Resto, can little silicon \"strips\" or \"pearls\" be used to smoothen the dents?

LL, please, what\'s irrelevant? Both \"beading\" and \"huge world\" encompass this forum. It is related to PE, is used by members (I intend to) and it\'s possible popopo might be interested.

I mean no offence (just that I am undiplomatic) but twice in this thread alone you have shown lack of focus or inability to \"listen.\" Practice \"listening\" more to others and you\'ll be able to always pick \"the meat from the bones\" and stay within context.

Popopo, are you still there? We\'re hearing nothing more from you ...

jogift, I am not familiar with those things... do you have any more info / links? One problem is that anything larger than a needle hole will risk turning into an open wound. So, I can\'t really have any kind of incision. It won\'t close. Even the needle will have to be put in very strategically where there is less PMMA. I can\'t figure out how to do it yet.

I am disappointed to learn that HA was so unsuccessful in Hoddle\'s case, but it was already mentioned that some guys have perfect HA results and some - it\'s just not something that feels normal. Who were the guys who said it moved around on them? You referred to something about it being mobile, but I don\'t remember reading that in the HA threads.

jogift wrote: LL, please, what\'s irrelevant? Both \"beading\" and \"huge world\" encompass this forum. It is related to PE, is used by members (I intend to) and it\'s possible popopo might be interested.

lol ... I\'ve no idea what you\'re going on about. I simply said I\'ll pass on something that I\'m not interested in.

Cheers,
LL

Restoration wrote: jogift, I am not familiar with those things... do you have any more info / links? One problem is that anything larger than a needle hole will risk turning into an open wound. So, I can\'t really have any kind of incision. It won\'t close. Even the needle will have to be put in very strategically where there is less PMMA. I can\'t figure out how to do it yet.

I am disappointed to learn that HA was so unsuccessful in Hoddle\'s case, but it was already mentioned that some guys have perfect HA results and some - it\'s just not something that feels normal. Who were the guys who said it moved around on them? You referred to something about it being mobile, but I don\'t remember reading that in the HA threads.

It wasn\'t, it just wasn\'t quite right for me. It wasn\'t mobile, it just didn\'t have the desired firmness in my penis. But as I\'ve mentioned previously neither did fat, when others say theirs feels totally natural. I think there are enough progress reports to tell us that you can\'t judge any procedure by one persons experience, as even with the variables pretty much the same, someone else can have a very different result or different opinion on their result. I can easily see why people could have very good results with HA based on my experience.

I had 9cc btw.

hoddle10, do you have reasons you could share, why you prefered Dr C to Dr N? I considered she was much nearer ...

My case was more complicated due to scar tissue issues, so I never considered Dr N.

popopo, I have had lots of scarring so maybe this will help: I have had Juvederm, Restylane, Boletero and Teosayl in my Dick, lol that is so crazy just saying it. All post having had dermal fat grafts inserted 20 years ago and then removed 2 years ago.

I was hoping to avoid PMMA as I already had 1 permanent procedure and it went bad after a decade of being really good. I didn\'t like HA in my Dick, although I have seen 2 guys with really good jobs that are happy with it. In part I had so much stretched out skin from the dermal fat grafts that I had to fill it just to keep the skin from looking like a bag, so I had a lot. It was very squishy in my Dick, and I swear I could even hear it squish if I grabbed the base of my Dick and squeezed really hard. It also looked different every time I changed at the gym which increased my stress. Plus the areas that I had the most scarring would not fill out no matter how much I added until they were like bubbles that were very, spongy.

That said, I doubt many guys would have that much, and it might be fine if you are only going for a .5 gain, but it is super expensive. I went through almost 6,000-8,000 by the time I had it dissolved, which I did myself. Also if you have size issues, like Hoddle said, you will probably not relax as you are in a very slow state of having it absorbed everyday post your last procedure. It could last a year or longer if you have a lot but it is all a big mind fuck.

I also went to Mirza who is a quack - don\'t fucking bother going to him. The second guy who did me was much better but I could not handle the changes in the appearance of my Dick every day, the squishiness, and just because it is HA does not mean you will not have lumps, bumps and unevenness (but I also had fibrosis and scar tissue).

Since then I have had PMMA and Silikon and have to say I am very happy. I had 1 round of 10%, 1 round of 20% 12 weeks later and the 3rd trip to Dr. C was just to have my Dick covered in Silkion which smooths out issues from PMMA whether it is uneven collagen formation, small injection site nodules etc. I may or may not go back to Dr. C one last time just to tweak the base which is still not quite big enough to fill out the skin - but I was in the shower at the gym yesterday and it looked so amazing I thought I don\'t really need to do anything anymore, this is perfect - part of this process for me is learning to let go when done is done - for me anyway.

So to address your thread popopo work on stretching it - but in a low key way - Clamping is intense as is pumping if you do it hard, jmo. I would do an ESL which might loosen up the scarring - I got 1.25 inches in length over the course of a year and a half (I also had my ligs cut 20 years ago but attribute the length gain to the Hanging as it took a year and a half so don\'t see how that could be the surgery. You have to be obsessive (Like 10 hours a day obsessive). Work out a way that you can wear it under your clothes so you can work, go the the gym - there are a lot of options now. When I started only the grip was available which I still like and is still around. I would do daily long term stretching for the length and just be consistent and not much tension. You want to stretch the scar tissue not add to it. It is easier to get back what you lost compared to gaining new length, again jmo.

In terms of 20 years from now there may be something else on the market, there maybe, but 20 years ago there was liquid fat, silicone and dermal fat grafts which were considered cutting edge. Those 3 categories are still pretty much the same ones that are around today, even though there are nuances (Alloderm, PMMA, silicone, FFT, HA). I would not wait 10 - 20 years if you are unhappy waiting to see if something better comes along especially since whatever it is will have no track record - so you will also be the guinea pig.

I changed my mind about PMMA, but would never do 30% (I would not even do 20% again even though it went fine. I\'d stick to 10% and just be prepared to go a couple times if that is what you want to do. Briceb did a chart someplace on here and there was not much difference in gains between 10, 20 and 30% in terms of guys reported gains. If you can\'t afford it now start by getting an ESL and wear it all the time or get something that works that is low-key (not like Clamping) everyday as much as you can.

I also think Dr. C was dirt cheap for the care I got. I spend more getting there and staying in MX than I do on them, plus they were super good to me in terms of the time they spent with me (since I was a reconstruction technically because of the scar tissue everything was more complicated). Just based on the 3 procedures I have had - dermal fat grafts which are not really offered anymore as they have a bad track record, are the MOST invasive of all the PE\'s - even more than Elist. Whatever they put in your Dick they have to cut off your body first; didn\'t care for the HA plus the expense is crazy and I don\'t want to have to go back every year for a touchup as I realized I will never feel like my Dick is mine if I am constantly getting it adjust. I like the PMMA the best after the Dermal Grafts, which I would never do again or ever recommend to anyone. I know some guys have had bad experiences with PMMA too though, which made me put if off and try HA. I stayed 4-5 days in Tijuana each time, was paranoid about screwing up the aftercare and didn\'t get back on the plane until it had set. Maybe that helped in my outcome but maybe it didn\'t.

Maybe something I said was helpful, was not meaning to write such a long post - sorry of after all this nothing I said was helpful

For anyone looking for that graph/chart that 10003 mentioned it is in the thread \"10% vs 30%\" God only knows how long it took me to find it on multiple occasions . Lots of members have posted progress reports since then but it is a pretty good baseline. Also worth mentioning, I believe all the info on the chart was the members 1st round only, any more gains reported on the individuals progress reports would be from further rounds.

Thanks for all the replies and even the discussions. I didn\'t expect so many replies in a short period. I\'ve looked into fillers and now have an idea of what options I have. I\'ve been on another forum for peyronies for a long time now so I\'m not totally new to the terms you guys use, just wasn\'t aware of all HA. I think personally I\'d rather wait for better alternatives to come around when it comes to surgery. I\'d probably be better off doing traction and maybe some low intensity pumping, It seems to be possible to (re)gain even for men who naturally scar easily and developed peyronies for no real reason at all. Deep down I know stretching and pumping is best for me now, and the risk of extra scarring would be too high for me right now if I did a filler, not to mention it would probably rather decrease my erectile strenght then increase it, right? Also, beads are not for me, I don\'t care how good that might feel to a woman. I want to avoid being called the guy with the crazy Dick, not make my Dick even less appealing. By the way, do you guys really think penis enlargement will improve as slowly as it has so far?? I think in a society like this there must be a growing demand for penis enlargement and I\'m sure most guys would do it if they could actually get a porn star like penis. The esl doesnt seem like a good option for me by the way, I bought the regular sizd but it seems way too small and since most of the scarring is near the glans it seems to only hurt me more. Last question.. kinda off topic, but does anybody know more about regenerative medicine being used for peyronies and penis enlargement? I actually think the technology is there, but it just takes years to perfect and use for the mainstream. Does anybody have any information about human trials from for example dr Atala? (Dr. Atala because he seems to be the most expert on tissue regeneration)