TOPIC: Please help.......

Thanks Hoddle10 & Hunkydory.

Hoddle10 reference a previous reply, you stated you have had the FFT procedure done and you had to have the Fat cut out, why was this? & may I ask who & where did you have this done? I\'m not in a position to travel from the UK to get PMMA , so unfortunately I think I will have to cross off PMMA.
Would you personally go for HA due to your experience with FFT?

Hunkydory, yes Elist is also off the list. With FFT what determines whether or not it re-absorbs evenly? Have you personally had this procedure done? yes I\'m aware that HA re-absorbs but it has also been stated that you will be left with a bigger penis due to the affect HA will have on that area of the body. You had your ligs cut with a very small horizontal scar, there is a high opinion that this is a much better technique than the VY cut. Yet it seTms Roberto Viel only offers VY , I wonder why this is? May I also ask where you had your surgery done & by who? Did you gain any extra length? Did you also have FFT?

Sorry for so many questions, thanks again for your previous replays...

I think you are going to find that someone on this board has had one of those procedures - or quite a few have had one or more - and everyone has had different results.

The consensus is that Elist is absolutely the worst of the worst.

FFT usually reabsorbs (partially or mostly) unevenly - or evenly if you are lucky.

HA from what I understand is temporary and not the same thing as PMMA.

PMMA is popular on this board and the most permanent but leads to many irregularities and it seems hard to predict who has a bad outcome, after care being equal.

I have had my ligs cut and only have a very small horizontal scar and would do it again, but you will only get Flaccid increase. You will need to hang for an Erect increase and that can take up to a year or a year and a half of Hanging or stretching everyday for 8 hours or so to get an Inch or a little more than an Inch.

Some people however, have had the lig. surgery and lost length.

The best way to find out what is offered in London is still the internet.
Hope that helps.

Fat from FFT usually absorbs, at least to some degree.

Roberto Viel is by far the most experienced surgeon offering this procedure in the UK.

Androfill is is just marketing thing. It\'s just Juverderm. It can last up to 18 months, but will probably start to absorb after 6 months.

PMMA isn\'t a form of HA and no one in the UK offers it.

This thread pretty much works through exactly my thought process.

Was interested to see that out of a range of \'sub-optimum\' options available in the UK that Viel\'s FFT was likely the best. I realise it was not a recommendation as such but fact is that Viel is the most experienced PE surgeon in the UK. Which says something. And I remember another post where someone asked him why he didnt use macrolane anymore.

Personally I am keener on temporary (HA) filler options at present because I actually see the temporary nature of them as part of the attraction. The problem is the price of the ones on offer here - about '400 per 1ml syringe of Juvederm Voluma - so you can see how that stacks up very quickly. Plus the clinic in London I questioned about it said they will use only 6ml to a maximum of 8ml - so frankly I dont think its worth bothering (or paying out '3000 for 6ml including the surgeon cost for half an hour, which I was quoted) for such a small increase when it absorbs 5% or so every month. Seems to me that would be barely noticeable.

I know macrolane has been somewhat discredited - and I haven\'t found a place in London that is using it - although seemingly doctors were using fairly large volumes previously, which might be part of the reason for dissatisfied customers, stands to reason if you pump too much in that its going to feel a bit wrong. If there was someone in the UK using macrolane I would certainly give 20 ml a go to see how it felt, knowing that after a year it would be pretty much gone anyway.

But maybe FFT, in the right hands, is the best of a not ideal range of options open to us in the UK?

007 my advice if you want length is to tell yourself you will revisit the surgery in Jan/Feb 2017. If by the end of a year you have not been stretching regularly (8 hours a day 6-7 days a week min.) the surgery would probably not have done you much good as it is not useful unless you hang religiously. If you have stuck with your program, you may have attained your results in which case you will not need the surgery after all.

I really like the grip Hanger but it is all I know - I prefer the vac. hangers in general though. There are all day stretchers with vac attachments, I would search jes extender on here and see what members have said. Also search the Grip on here as well, as I went into an explanation of how to modify it a little so you can wear it all day. I would also go to pegym or thunderspalce and see what people have said. There must be consensus by now on one or two brands that are good. I think ,but I am not 100% sure, you can get more traction with a vac attachment than a noose or whatever else people use and you will need both - short amounts of heavy traction and lower amounts of less traction. It is like working out.

Thanks for your advice Hunkydory. I think your advice is good but I have actually booked a consultation with Androfill at the beginning of March. This is for HA enhancement. I have paid for this, so I shall attend and then get stretching! 8 hours a day - wow, that\'s impressive.

I shall search for the above. In the meantime can you or any board members know whether or not HA can lead to permanent results? I know it is a temporary procedure which the body will reabsorb overtime. But I have read a couple of articles stating that some gain will remain due to the body producing collegen in the shaft!!!!!!

I don\'t know whether this is just sales marketing or if there is any truth to this?!!

Thanks again

actually you could try stretching for lenght...in this board there is a report with progress pictures from someone who used an extender for a year

hey 007 thanks for the additional info. Bobusa too.

i haven\'t heard back from Androfill yet but will let you know when i do. i expect they are focused on trying to get people to come in for a consultation. anyway, they definitely keep their website updated because there is some new info on there today - 10 syringes maximum have to be spaced 2 weeks apart apparently. but i am wondering if they use the 2ml juvederm voluma syringes or the 1ml cos that would obviously make all the difference.
i guess if they respond to my email i will have the answer to that and other questions i asked...

i dunno about any permanent effect but as you probably saw on the Androfill site, they have changed their information on that now, while not saying it doesnt happen, they are kind of distancing themselves from saying it does. but i am not really bothered about that if it lasts a year or more even if its getting less

007jw wrote: I have been researching for some time which had been beneficial but at the same time I\'m really struggling as to which procedure I should go for. These are my considerations so far, I wonder if others could please advise and if possible speak of their own experiences: Dr Elist, penis implants, I think I have knocked this one off the list due to the bad feedback given. Roberto Viel, or London international andrology both using FFT technique for enhanceing Girth plus the susp lig cut to enhance length. Not to sure as to which surgeon is the better one or if on par? Also not to certain on the reliability both in terms of look and longevity? Body re-absorbing the fat, does the penis go back to its original size over a period of time? Androfill, Hyaluronic Acid injected into the penis shaft to increase Girth and some length. Not to sure how this compares to FFT. Whether it\'s better or not? Same as FFT, how long does it last? Does the penis go back to its original size? Appearance of penis once the HA is injected? PMMA is this a form of Hyaluronic Acid? Seems to be the favoured option for most on here? Can you get PMMA done in the UK? Thanks in advance.

No PMMA is OIL like your car uses

Why anyone vote me down. Dont like the truth?

There are some simple rules.

1. surgery alone will not make the hard Dick longer. Surgery to cut the sus lig should be banned because Dick just points straight down and sex is a pain.

2. if you want to get a wider Dick use the HA - 2 million people in US get it a year 2 million injections! but I agree not in Dick.

3. When you get HA you must see a pro. The technique of injecting is No 1 thing. He pushes the needle in and then only squirts the HA out as he\'s pulling back. If you see anyone but a Dick doctor for this then the odds of a problem go from 1 in 1million to 1 in say 10,000


Follow these instructions CAREFULLY .

1. Money is number 99/100 of what you have to consider. My Dick was snipped (sus lig) and I have a lifetime of frustration and no extra length, to fix any problem is impossible or 10 times more $. So don\'t try to save $1-2,000 by shopping around.

2. Do not see any doc that has done the penis sus lig chop. If a doc is doing surgery like that then they are not to be trusted with ANYTHING.

So, Dr V does he do this? Yes, so... dont see him.. he must know it\'s crap.

3. Don\'t put fat or implants in your Dick... does the doc offer this or anything else that looks gruesome? Simple if yes, don\'t go to him.

4. The hyal acid is there in your Dick already from birth, your dicks not going to fall off & its not going to hurt.
Its squiggy for a couple of days , then firms - my wife is a happy.

If you have a doctor or experienced person do it then no problem, its all about the injecting technique. 1 in millions chance of a problem, even then just inject something to dissolve it.

On HA

How much is permanent I dont know.
Dr kim said 1/3 than another time he said 1/2 - he is the world\'s expert he says.
All i know is I went there 1st time in 2011 for 15mls then 2013 for 5 mls only so somethings grown.

I prob need a couple more jabs on the way back home. I can\'t understand how people are getting 50 mls because I got 15ml first time and it was massive. The HA takes extra water so, its not like the MEGAFill. Thats why I do the HA you get more volume

Even if nothing grew ever perm, I would rather go back every couple of years than have fat blocking my Dick up and oozing out. I am slightly older and I know fat = impotence. I have enough fat blocking the blood flow to my penis from my gutt already. Im convinced the HA improved my impotence so its nearly gone, how Im not sure maybe the new tissue.

PMMA? you got to be nuts man.
NUTS . Im not even going to edit the text.

Dr kim website has a post on it, proper medical PMMA is from germany , research the company that makes it and call them I forget the name. and costs a fortune so no clinic would offers the good stuff. the HA costs the clinics about $300 each ml the medical PMMA $1000 per ml , who knows what they want to squirt in your Dick down in mexico, its cut with something for sure.

I looked at Androfill.com its the same stuff as in korea, thats what I use and I stand by it. Im in europe now so id consider it, but if I was in Cali id go to Korea or Phoenix. It\'s not relevant if they are expensive or not - whats relevant is who the doc is, how many hes done & are you living far away in case 1 in 1 million happens 3 days later.

I suppose if it\'s temporary and your not happy with the result then yes it\'s a good thing, however if you love the extra gain and it looks good then maybe not! Amdrofill claims 6 syringes at '2640, now it doesn\'t state the measurements!

I\'ve also read that some of the gain through HA can be permanent, but yet I\'m not certain if this is true or not!?
Maybe BOBUSA could add in here? - Thanks for your previous input, & comments noted.

I completely agree reference Dr Oudot, not a good indication. I was also considering London andrology international but will see how my consultation goes with Androfill.

It was '5000 with Dr Viel for FFT alone.

Are you then getting into the remit of PMA by adding other fillers?

Two things. Don\'t cut the suspensory ligament , I had it done and my Dick is actually shorter hard , but maybe 1cm longer when floppy. Any doctor who does this should and claims its penis lengthening should be struck off because its just lengthens the Dick when its soft so whats the point. scam, makes me angry

2. Go to Dr Kim in korea and have the HA, I have it once every couple of years. Anything else is nuts.

thanks for the reply and pm 007.
i have always been interested in HA first and foremost - partly because of the temporary nature. the thing is, if the maximum i can get in the UK is 10ml, well that hardly seems worth the bother and certainly not worth the cost. if someone was doing less pricey fillers - therefore more volume for the same price - i would be one of the first in the queue !

i emailed that french doctor - dr oudot - with some questions via his website but no reply so far after 4 days... i think perhaps either nobody checks the website messages, which wouldnt surprise me since the pricing on there is out of date compared to the prices he says on his youtube videos, or he cant be arsed answering questions. i dunno. but stuff like that does not fill me with confidence. if he doesnt bother to maintain his website or answer questions then how bothered is he about everything else? maybe i am too fixated on small details but i dont want anyone with a slapdash approach to life messing around with my Cock !i dont believe he is that busy or receiving hundreds of enquiries a day...

anyway, just out of interest to save me the time of waiting for an answer, how much did viel quote you recently for FFT only ? i\'m not interested in lig cut as, from what i can gather, any gains seem as likely from manual device stretching post op as from the op itself. and i dont want to be messing with ligaments and stuff anyway, just Girth.

thanks again for the response. i emailed Androfill in london yesterday for some more info on the \'filler with volumiser\' they mention once on the site. if that means they may increase the overall volume by adding another filler to the juvederm then i am interested ! i will post whatever i get in reply.

Will Reklaw, thanks again.

Sorry mischiefmkr I missed your reply. I was seriously debating Reberto Viel for PE but its getting close to '10000 for lig cut with FFT. That\'s a lot of money which I would be prepared to pay if the outcome was a permanent gain with a normal looking Dick. Possibility of a deformed lumpy penis with the body reabsorbing the extra gain fat! Makes me question the procedure & cost!

Refence HA mischiefmkr I have found the following statement - \"it is worth to mention that the injection of Hyaluronic Acid stimulates the production of body\'s own collagen and even after total absorption penis stays enhanced and does not return to the original size\"

If you look at tour medica UK you will see it on there...........

Just go see David Ralph on Harley Street for HA injection if you have fat injected it will go lumpy, it would probs be Franklin Kuehas who would do it for you at international Andrology, I did not think he was a trustworthy person.
HA will increase your Flaccid length