TOPIC: Why isn't penile enhancement with metacrill considered legal body modification?

I was watching this show on E called \"Botched\" and this woman had scarred her body in these elaborate ways (with a non-medical practitioner). She implanted a metal above her breasts, in her cleavage. I was amazed that someone could do this in the united states and not be arrested for (a) practicing medicine without a license and (b) reckless endangerment. But, if it\'s all consensual and also it\'s not quite \"medical\" - but where\'s the line? I asked a lawyer friend of mine (who even works in medical malpractice) and he didn\'t even know the answer.

I think a lot of guys here have tattoos, and those places are pretty regulated, right? But, it\'s not mandatory - is it? I mean, you can get a tattoo in prison & get a nasty infection or necrosis...but it\'s still not reckless endangerment or practicing medicine without a license.

I\'m not sure if anyone has the answer, but I just wanted to bring it up because I\'ve been really curious for a while. There\'s been media coverage of people injecting Home Depot silicone in their butts, and some of those injectors got arrested for reckless endangerment...but that truly was reckless endangerment. I\'m curious if pmma would be the same.

In a way, it\'s all just hypothetical since the manufacturers won\'t sell to americans anyway...as far as I know. I\'m not looking to start a new business...lol. Just thought it was an interesting question.

Dr mirza is offering Bellafill at 500 per syring and said that i would need approximately 3 treatments. Im not sure if its a good idea to trust this doc or not he said he injects using a 26 gauge needle and it take only 15 minutes per session

I think it\'s more like 2 weeks than 3 months. I wondered a while back if it could actually be advantageous, as it would surely mean the penis is easier to mold. If the carrier goes slowly over a longer period of time, wouldn\'t it give the patient more time to spot imperfections and work on those areas?

Interesting...I feel like the same challenges are going to be here though. First, 350 per cc isn\'t going to give you much for the price. It\'s 20% which I think is a good amount for the penis, especially in session one (less lump risk than 30%, but more Girth than 10%).

If you wanted 15 ccs of 20% PMMA from him, it would be $7000. (And probably .75 gain max)

Avanti Derma - up to 20 ccs of 30% for ~2500. (probably .75 gain as well)

It\'s going to be hard to compete with Avanti Derma on that price, unless money is not an issue.

Still, there\'s the collagen question.

I honestly don\'t entirely understand if the collagen base is \"definitely\" an issue or just a hypothetical issue. In the face, it is a good thing, but I guess the penis would move so much in the 3 month period (in theory) that you could end up with bad results. I\'m just not sure. The collagen \"should\" hold it relatively uniform, but we only know it does that in the face.

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/dr-...t=bellafill&trail=15

Received a response to my e-mail to Dr. Mirza regarding cost and volume of Bellafill required for penile augmentation:

Dr. Mirza, I was wondering what the average cost is for penile augmentation with Bellafill. If you could include an estimate of average volume required and cost per unit volume that would be helpful. Thank you in advance for your help. His response:350 per syringe.3 syringes are good.txt me at ****** and we can talk

Hi Restoration,

Here\'s a quote from Brian Windle, MD from this non-peer reviewed URL: www.realself.com/question/bella-fill-work-permanently

\"Bellafill is essentially permanent. It is a particulate filler that is composed of a very small amount of PMMA or tiny (40 micron) beads that act as a bio-stimulant. They are non-resorbable. The rest of each syringe of Bellafill (90%) is comprised of collagen. Bovine collagen is an old style filler that only lasts 3 months. As it is absorbed over the 3 to 6 months after an injection of Bellafill, the PMMA stimulates your cells to make new tissue, replacing the collagen.\"

\"The formal FDA studies show that Bellafill will last AT LEAST 5 YEARS and there are informal studies going back to the original formulations that show it is still there at 15 years! I have many patients who still have nice volume replacement at 9 years.\"

I sent an e-mail to Dr. Mirza asking about volume required and cost per unit volume and will let you know if I get a response.

Oh cool... that was a good find. Bellafil is in a collagen base (like artefill) and I think it\'s $600+ per cc so I wonder how that is going to work out here

It was previously mentioned here that the collagen base wouldn\'t be good for the penis since it lasts 3 months and could move around too much? I forgot exactly why - but a few people mentioned that the general consensus is no collagen is better.

I believe Artefill has been rebranded as Bellafill in the United States and Canada and as Hoddle points out it is legal. The first link below is the Bellafill website, second link is an example of a clinic in the United States offering penile augmentation with Bellafill.

www.bellafill.com/patient/wrinkle

sexualhealthmen.com/penile-enhancement/

I think it is.

It\'s just not legal to import Metracil as Afterfil has a patent.

Dr heller in new york a very reputable doctor is also offering a similar procedure with Bellafill and juvederm mix.