TOPIC: Length + Girth =

Hi I\'m new here!
I think I have decided to begin my PE journey

I\'m considering using an extender for length and Jelquing or PMMA for Girth.
(considered pumping but heard it can be bad and lead to brusing or ED)

I have always wanted more Girth.

I wanted to know some stuff.
With a penis extender, do you ACTUALLY get Girth from these devices, all the sites say you get some but I was curious if anyone knew for sure. Or have had substantial Girth-gains from this.

Ideally if I used a penis extender and got an Inch of length and an Inch in Girth that would be kick ass.

I\'m afraid of getting to long and hitting poking a girl in the cervix, which used to happen with my old girlfriend.

I want to get thick, really thick like 5\'5 or 6\" thick. (I have always wanted to wear magnum condoms!)

Ideal would Be EL: 7\" EG: 5.5\" - 6\" (all the way up and down the shaft of my Dick, straight, thick, and fantastic)

my plan was get an extender (make sure they work 1st) get an Inch of length.
then decide if I want Girth, cause the last thing I want is to be long and thin.

I have done research on PMMA Injections and they still seem pretty safe. Kinda scary cause there are no 85 year old PMMA vet\'s with massive junk still humpin and pumpin.
Well not yet anyway lol, but here hopping!

I have some questions for Sizemic and Miracle8X7, maybe I\'ll just PM you guys if that\'s cool.
Kinda nervous about this.

Any tips or suggestions would be amazing, I have been following this community for a longtime and have finally taken the plunge to jump in. Love feed back just be nice.
Stuff below is by James J Elist for those of you who are interested in PMMA. Figured even though I am new I should try to bring something to table. I am pretty analytically and don\'t really like taking risks, you only get one penis right? The positives are great but if you cant get it up or if you get fibrosis or Necrosis in you Dick, that would be terrible.
PMMA Injections for Penile EnlargementNOTE: The Male Enhancement Centers and Dr. Elist do not perform polymethylmethacrylate (PMMA) Penile Enlargement Procedures. The following material is solely for information purposes. Complications reported in this section are based on Phalloplasty Revision surgeries performed at our facility due to previous PMMA procedures and associated complications. PMMA Injections History:Polymethylmethacrylate (PMMA) ' For more than half a century plastic and reconstructive surgeons and Dermatologist have been using medical degree PMMA mainly to fill up small wrinkles in the face (cosmetic soft tissue augmentation). Artefill, one of the best known names in PMMA technology, has been approved by the FDA for facial rejuvenation. Since its beginning, PMMA products have undergone many improvements and refinement to become one of the most widely used dermal fillers. What Is PMMA And How Does It Work?PMMA (polymethyl-methacrylate) fillers usually consist of about 20% tiny PMMA microspheres (microscopic synthetic polymer beads) suspended in 80% of purified bovine (cow) collagen gel. Injections are usually offered is 1cc syringes in order to maintain a well-controlled dosing and prevent over injections with several serious side effects. Due to the limited amount to be injected at once, multiple injections are usually required to achieve a volume effect.The principle of PMMA injections- When injected inside the wrinkles and underneath the skin, the PMMA microspheres (micron sized plastic beads) are delivered into the tissue alongside with the collagen gel. After a few months, the collagen gel is broken down and absorbed and body's newly formed collagen replaces its place by surrounding and encapsulating the PMMA microspheres.While mostly claimed to be permanent, the world of plastic surgery only refers to PMMA fillers as being semi-permanent and only effective to use for the treatment of medium-to-deep wrinkles, folds and furrows, particularly nasolabial folds. It can also be used to fill out pitted scars and to augment thin lips.Besides the traditional PMMA injections using collagen gel as carrier, a new generation of PMMA is told to be developed south of US borders which is reported to use a water-based carrier- this product has been developed in Brazil and mostly available in South American countries.PMMA injections were developed based on the same principle as free fat transfer (FFT) in order to fill tissue gaps and defects with longer lasting results. As with fat injections which needs a solid surrounding supportive tissue in order to revascularize and fill out a gap, PMMA injections require a solid collagen and soft tissue surrounding structure in order to a) stay put where injected in [gel injection in a mold vs in a lose plastic bag, here: your penile shaft and the overlying skin] and b) in order for the injected collagen/ water-based solution to be absorbed and replaced by the body's natural collagen. What Surgeons Say About PMMA Injections?A large number of plastic surgeons do utilizes PMMA injections for facial rejuvenation and wrinkle reduction.The results reported are usually very well documented and associated with mild top moderate side effects- again, if injected in the right area of the body.While reviewing past and current literature, many plastic and reconstructive surgeons do warn of the use of PMMA and other dermal fillers in area larger than small wrinkles; in fact, many report revisional surgeries performed on patients with horrific side effects after PMMA injections in appropriate parts of the body.'Artefill is a PMMA containing filler that is FDA approved for correction of the Nasolabial folds. Although originally manufactured by Artes Medical (reportedly bankrupt), it has been picked up by Suneva for distribution. It is 80% Bovine (cow) Collagen and 20% PMMA. Each 1cc syringe when administered by a physician may range from $1000-2000. Clearly this is available for use as an off-label indication. However the economic costs are not the reason why physicians do perform the procedure. There are concerns with granuloma formation and other possible side effects.''PMMA injections are NOT approved by the FDA for soft tissue augmentation. No REPUTABLE Plastic surgeon will do them because it involves placing small, hard particles in soft tissue which leads to irreversible scarring and lifelong complications. DO NOT DO IT.''As you can see every single person on the panel is against both of the products. What other info could you possibly need? PMMA is not reversible and I saw a patient today using a walker for the last 2 years after having PMMA.''Once a week I see a patient who went abroad for discount surgery and had problems. If you want to be educated and get information seek it from a board certified Plastic Surgeon in the good old USA. We may be more expensive, but you know who we are, we have malpractice insurance if you have a problem and we have peer review and usually follow good ethical morals. Nothing is approved for injection into the butt for augmentation.''The complications I have seen are horrific, even though not deadly.' What The Scientific Literature Says About PMMA Injections?Adverse results with PMMA fillers.Aesthetic Plast Surg. 2012 Aug;36(4):955-63. doi: 10.1007/s00266-012-9871-8. Epub 2012 Mar 22.Various alloplastic materials have been used for filling depressions and for body contouring. Among them, polymethylmethacrylate (PMMA) has provoked many clinical compilations in both the acute and chronic phases. This study shows the correlation between the clinical application of PMMA and the physiopathology of the acute and late complications.Conclusion:The injection of PMMA within the tissues can cause severe complications and side effects in both acute and chronic phases. Initially, the complications are related to vascular compromise, but at the late phase they are a consequence of capsular contracture that involves particles of PMMA. The contracture causes local tissue hardening and clinical nodulation of the implanted areas, ending with extrusion of the filler material. Complications After PMMA Injections: Report of 32 cases.Plast Reconstr Surg. 2008 May;121(5):1811-20. doi: 10.1097/PRS.0b013e31816b1385.During the past 15 years, polymethylmethacrylate has been used as a synthetic permanent filler for soft-tissue augmentation.The average age of the patients was 43.6 years (range, 22 to 70 years). Twenty-five patients were women. Sixteen injection procedures were performed by certified plastic surgeons, nine by dermatologists, two by urologists, and one by a nonphysician. Complications were classified into five groups according to main presentation as follows: tissue Necrosis (five cases), an acute complication that can be related to technical mistakes but that can also be dependent on patient factors or caused by local infection; granuloma (10 cases), which usually presents as a subacute complication 6 to 12 months after the procedure; chronic inflammatory reactions (10 cases), which usually occur years later and can be related to a triggering event, such as another operation or infection in the area that was injected (these reactions are immunogenic in origin and may have cyclic periods of activation and remission); chronic inflammatory reaction in the lips (six cases), which may be present with severe symptoms, especially with lymphedema, because of mobility of the lip; and infections (one case), which are rare but possible complications after filling procedures.Conclusion:Polymethylmethacrylate filler complications, despite being rare, are often permanent and difficult or even impossible to treat. Safety guidelines should be observed when considering use of polymethylmethacrylate for augmentation. PMMA Penile Augmentation Procedures Side EffectsAs with all types of surgical procedures, PMMA Penile Augmentation procedures can also be associated with general complications such as swelling, bleeding, pain, hematoma, and infection.Risks and complications specifically reported with PMMA Penile Augmentation procedures are based on two general pathophysiological mechanisms:A) Injection of a free gel inside a pocket between the penile shaft and shaft skinB) Injection of an army of micro-beads inside the same pocketThe specific side effects associated with the above mentioned mechanism include:A) Uneven and non-homogenous penile shape after injectionA) Dislocation of the injected with disproportional spreading of the contentA) Uneven absorption rate of the freely injected gel with asymmetriesA) unpredictable amount and areas of absorption resulting in disproportionate penile shape and deformityA) Detachment of the injected material and permanent floating gelB) Multiple micro and macro granulomas surrounding the injected foreign materialB) Buildup of multiple lumps and bumpsB) Severe fibrosis and internal scarringB) Acute, severe infection as a reaction to foreign materialB) Chronic inflammatory reaction to micro-beadsB) Damage to arteries and veins due to granulomas and capsule formation resulting in severe damages to the penile shaft and penile skinB) Sever granuloma formation with necrotic damage to the penile skin with acute and chronic skin scarring, Necrosis, and skin lossB) Multiple capsule formation with soft tissue retraction and penile deformityB) Internal invasive granuloma formation with severe damages to the penile erectile tissue resulting in curvature and erectile dysfunctionB) Severe internal dermal damages resulting in a thickening and leathering of the penile skin

dragonshark wrote: I wanted to know some stuff.
With a penis extender, do you ACTUALLY get Girth from these devices, all the sites say you get some but I was curious if anyone knew for sure. Or have had substantial Girth-gains from this.

Ideally if I used a penis extender and got an Inch of length and an Inch in Girth that would be kick ass. ...

I have some questions for Sizemic and Miracle8X7, maybe I\'ll just PM you guys if that\'s cool.
Kinda nervous about this.

Any tips or suggestions would be amazing, I have been following this community for a longtime and have finally taken the plunge to jump in. Love feed back just be nice.

Stuff below is by James J Elist for those of you who are interested in PMMA. Figured even though I am new I should try to bring something to table...

1) Usually any Girth gained at all (if any) from stretchers is in the base and I can tell you definitely do not expect an Inch... maybe 0.25\" at most.

2) A LOT of members here have had extremely bad outcomes with Dr. Elist... posting that blurb is completely unnecessary ... we\'ve discussed Elist\'s lame attempts at debunking PMMA at length here and I for one trust nothing the doc says on the matter.

3) Don\'t post the same thread in multiple places... I noticed this thread is in both the love, lust vanity section and general discussion area...

Thanks dude, I appreciate you feed back.
Do you know of anyone who has had great success with extenders?

About how much is typical, can one expect to gain 1 Inch in length at least?

I know you did alot of Manuel PE, what did you find worked the best? In terms of Girth.

PS I think Elist is useless too, and that PMMA is reasonably safe.
I just wanted to here other members feed back on PMMA, and any potentially negative experiences.

Dragonshark, you don\'t have to hear any feedback (ie veterans posting summaries in this thread: not gonna happen): you have to read the many reports written by members who have opted for PMMA and that are available on this forum: look for them as they are easy to find.

Nobody has had the complications described in the articles or the list Elist posted on his website. The longest term patient is around 5 years and there are some out there at 7 years. It\'s sort of common (well, read through the progress reports - I don\'t like the word \"common\" really) to have a mild degree of aesthetic issues from time to time. In some cases, there have been worse aesthetic issues - though they can usually be taken care of or smooths out with time. Some posters with initial problems have come back with poor results (two I can think of) - but they may not have waited long enough, whereas others have said their problems were resolved with time or with another round. There\'s a common theme of \"I feel like I am trading one problem for another\" when you chase the perfect penis aesthetically...you\'ll see that a lot. So, you kind of have to take the mindset that you are going to have an artificial substance in your penis...and like a breast implant, it may not be totally natural (though some feel it is very natural - just depends). I\'m talking about lumps and unevenness...not granulomas. So, while Elist posts an article that has a rotting nose (which is from hitting a vein - something Dr. C cannot do with a cannula - only a needle that he does not use) - the concern should really be on lumps, irregularity, voids, ridges, and similar aesthetic problems. For example, I do not have good growth between my Circumcision scar and glans - and I\'m not sure if this can be fixed entirely - but I can try. Elist is losing business to PMMA - but his implant had a 90% failure rate (or more - I\'d have a lot worse problems than a low spot with his thing) - so there should really be a list on the risks of having surgery with him...not with PMMA. Oh, there is a member who had his PMMA removed but the cause is not entirely clear - and one other member had reported late stage lumps. The possibility for late stage reactions will never be eliminated. It is possible that it will happen to possibly a low % of men....but who knows... artefill in the face (PMMA used in USA) is not the same as PMMA in the penis, so we can only look at Artefill as a possible analogue - though it is not really a perfect analogue. And, yes - people have had late stage complications with artefill PMMA - often triggered by something, though.

Thanks for contributing. I think most of what you posted if not all has been referred to before on this site. It was nice to read it all together. Was the whole thing referenced from elists site? It seemed like a compilation to me.

As for your questions about stretchers. I used one briefly but it wasn\'t comfortable. It can harden the tunica and maybe also effect blood flow to the penis. I have done Manila PE for like eight years with better than average results. I suggest you consider manual PE first. I have pumped recreationally for about three years and it has never bruised me but it has caused discoloration from burst blood vessels in/near the skin which do clear up extremely slowly.

Hi guys
THANKS! You guys are flippin awesome thanks for the input! This a great community with lots of support.

@ Supa
I understand, and in truth I have been reading reports. Though none seem to talk about long term stuff. Didn\'t wana seem like I was looking for a hand out, which is why I figured I should contribute and share some of the information I have gleaned in my search for a bigger Dick.

@ restoration
Dude thanks for all the info, I really appreciate it. That was my major concern with PMMA. Is it looks great for now... but what\'s it like in ten years sort thing. I suppose if it started to lump you could go an get another round done to accommodate for the poor aesthetic look. Or just massage and try to sooth and smooth it. That makes me feel alot more comfortable about PMMA in general, I have wanted to get it for a while but always had some trepidation towards it.

@ nohidingstyle
No worries dude happy to do it, I\'ve been checking this sight every so often for stuff, but I figured I should start my PE journey with a bang and share so stuff. It was pulled directly from the sight. I think there is a link if you click on the green text. Also is hardening the tunica a bad thing? Could PMMA cause ED or poor Erection quality in the future?

PS I would never get an dong implant it would look odd, natural, and probably hurt if it poked you or your partner during, and not in the fun girthy way lol.

Right now I think my focus is Length, then Girth.
PMMA is definitely the filler I am considering.

Does anyone happen to know the differences between Meatrcil i think its called? and PMMA?
I know DR C does PMMA and Sizemic gave a run down of the costs associated with it.
(THANKS BTW\'s)
Does anyone know about the other one?

Thanks Dudes

DragonShark

dragonshark wrote: Hi guys

Does anyone happen to know the differences between Meatrcil i think its called? and PMMA?
Does anyone know about the other one?

Metacrill is the brand name for the PMMA product used in Dr. C\'s clinic, manufactured in Brazil. It is PMMA (10% or 30%) mixed with a cellulose-based filler. Artefilll (in the USA) is PMMA mixed with a collagen filler. Cellulose dissipates within 2 weeks. Collagen remains for 3 months & requires an allergy test beforehand. Artefill is $1000+ per cc. Metacrill averages out to around $100-150 per cc. It is not FDA approved, but it is approved in Mexico and Brazil. Financially, it is impractical for most people to use Artefill in the penis, and I don\'t think there are any American doctors that would do it since it is only approved for use in the face.

The PMMA product Metacrill has some more detail here: www.metacrill.com/