TOPIC: David Ralph vs Mr Viel

girth121 wrote: @hoddle10 It is an embarrasing 3.8\" Erect and I desperately need Girth enhancement. Since Mexico is too far for me, I would do FFT (Stem Cells) any way no matter what. Hoddle I know you had a bad experience with it but my options are limited. What about that guy IDM he was pretty happy with it, I wonder where is he now. Thanks

There are other Viel patients who are happy that I know of. The thing with FFT to remember is that it is very unlikely to be permanent. It is also not likely to absorb evenly, so if you are going to have it, you need to be prepared for a life long commitment to having top ups. You may require these every few months or every few years.

If you aren\'t opposed to PMMA, then it does give you a fall back option if FFT doesn\'t give you the result you want. Both IDM and JAM had FFT and then went on to have PMMA. For me, they key with FFT, is to not try and have it surgically removed. So if you are going to get it, then only do so if you are prepared to have PMMA or another type of filler to correct any problems.

Interestingly I recently discussed the idea of FFT first and then if it doesn\'t work out, having it touched up with PMMA, with another moderator. If money isn\'t a problem, then for some men this could be one of the better options. It\'s certainly preferable to have your own fat injected, rather than a foreign body. So trying fat before PMMA might not be a bad plan. The key is to be prepared to have PMMA if things don\'t work out. If you aren\'t comfortable with the idea of PMMA, then I\'d forget that fat option. I\'d rather take my chances of foreign body reaction, than have fat cut out again.

Do they both use Y/V incision?

Also, would you recommend Circumcision to anyone who was having a lig cut and FFT?

Mr Viel does Y/V, whilst Mr Ralph has used a variety of techniques, I\'m not sure which one is his standard. But Mr Ralph doesn\'t do a great deal of these as it isn\'t his main area. I wouldn\'t recommend either to be honest. I wouldn\'t get Circumcised either.

I feel that if you are genuinely suffering from size/Girth issues, FFT may not be a terrible option. That\'s especially true if aren\'t willing to pursue PMMA (for either complication concerns or financial burden). You just have to be upfront with yourself about what could go wrong. You\'ll also need to be prepared to have the kind of income stability that allows for continuous life-long top offs. Some require top offs more frequently than others, and there is no way to know how you\'ll fare until you are actually a post-op.

I can relate, especially to gentlemen like girth121, where the risks are much easier to accept given where your starting point is. That doesn\'t mean a 3.8 (or my pre-PMMA 3.5) can\'t be effective, and I believe with powerful EQ & technique, for some it can be satisfactory. But for some, the desire for Girth is a means to achieve a sense of normalcy in a society that exploits sex & image to unhealthy degrees.

And as a follow-up to my last post, I also want to stress that the complications that can arise from Phalloplasty wont only be physical in nature. Many men have expressed the mental anguish that accompanies having a dysfunctional and/or disfigured penis.

You really have to know what you\'re getting into. But like I said before, I\'m of the camp that believes the smaller you are, the more \"risk threshold\" you can entertain. Continue to do your research, consult with all the relevant physicians, get some information exchange here at PB\'s (which some of you are already beginning to do), and be sure your comfortable as an informed decision maker before making any life-changing decisions.

If it means anything to anyone, I would have probably been an FFT patient by now if PMMA hadn\'t hit the scene. I just felt that it was the superior option to everything else that was available at that time in the past, against methods like dermal fat grafts, the silicone implant, and Alloderm/Belladerm.

So by NOT getting Circumcised, this will in no way effet gains? I thought they had to release skin for the penis to drop after the lig cutand thats why they Circumcised you during your op

@Hoddle10

Thank you for sharing that. If I had the time and money I would pursue PMMA no doubt, but unfortunately I don\'t have that right now. So the most convenient option is FFT. Maybe in future if my FFT for some reason is not satisfying then I would for sure go the PMMA route. Do I have to remove FFT before going the PMMA route or its ok to put PMMA on top of FFT and will it be effective?

@ SO

You are right, the risks are acceptable considering my Girth. However, I think FFT is the least risky among every other procedure. Dr viel strongly said no PMMA due to after effects but I will still go with it if FFT fails.

I would also like to reiterate that with 3.8\" Girth I had a wonderfull sex life. I can last forever and very good technically (given multiple orgasms to my partner) considering I have two kids too and my wife never complained. If my wife knew that I am considering such type of procedures she is going to me. But I do feel that enchaning Girth further will bring new excitment in our lives and will be pleasurable for us. So in short I am willing to take risk with either FFT or PMMA.

grahamjack wrote: So by NOT getting Circumcised, this will in no way effet gains? I thought they had to release skin for the penis to drop after the lig cutand thats why they Circumcised you during your op

I don\'t see why it would effect gains, but might increase post op swelling. But I was talking more about not getting circed for the Girth. You may have to for length, but in my opinion that would be a terrible trade off. If you ever decide to have a Girth procedure, look at those who have been Circumcised and those who haven\'t. Guys who have been Circumcised tend to have a much more natural looking result as they have compliant skin right the way up the shaft.

Skeptical One wrote:

grahamjack wrote: It\'s 3.8 to 4 inchs. How the hell is that decent? lol

I\'ll do more research I see which doctors perform this with the laser that doesnt need Y/V incision

A 4 Inch Flaccid hang is decent, you\'re most likely a \"show-er.\" No one\'s Flaccid hangs 6-7\" if that\'s what you think you\'ll be able to achieve. What is your Erect length if you don\'t mind me asking?

If your concern was primarily Flaccid hang, I\'d focus on just traction without the surgery. They are going to make you stretch post-op anyways, so why not see if it works without the cost & risk of surgery. I should note, that Hanging & stretching comes with their own risks, but at least you might be able to reduce your overall risk by avoiding surgery altogether.

No idea mate. Never measured. It\'s a Flaccid thing that I want. Like when i\'m in a pair of boxers or in the gym showers.