TOPIC: Ellanse experience, Aftercare, sex etc

So I had my procedure with Dr. Morales on 6/7, 8 cc of Ellanse, PRP, phallotox etc. I did not stretch till 6/8 as Ian had me keep it wrapped due to bleeding. Was very sore and swollen the next day. Today, Day 4 it seem swelling has decreased a lot, soreness is better. Been massaging/rolling like crazy, use both the weighted ball from Avanti and the zen Hanger. Going through all the threads it seems like some places like to wrap the penis, some dont. Some strongly recommend extending some dont. Some recommend 7 days till sex, some 14 etc.

What is the consensus of how long till wait till sex? Ian said the product will be set in 3-5 days so after that what has everyone done in terms of stretching etc.

Use common sense when it comes to sex. It's different for everyone. At the very least you need to wait until the entry points are completely sealed. You have to look at the wounds and determine whether or not sex would make them worse. It may appear sealed but it could still be scabbing and developing new tissue. Look close with magnification on your phone. You may think that the vagina is so wet you'll be fine. I tried sex too soon once, thought the wounds were healed, but sex is so rough on your penis skin. Even though she's wet there's so much friction. It hurt. I barely got out of it.

I did five rounds. The first two rounds the healing went faster and it wasn't much of an issue. My last two rounds the entry points took a while to heal. After the entry points are healed, sex too soon could delay the bruising to disappear or you could swell a lot. I wouldn't bother wrapping it. It's very hard for the stuff to move around once it's in there. But if you retract and turtle a good amount, and you're going throughout the entire day with your penis wanting to retract, the product will go with it and compress in shape. I wore a stealth stretcher to work and tried wearing it as much as I could for about 4 weeks. I did it for 6 weeks the first time.

jackets5 wrote: So I had my procedure with Dr. Morales on 6/7, 8 cc of Ellanse, PRP, phallotox etc. I did not stretch till 6/8 as Ian had me keep it wrapped due to bleeding. Was very sore and swollen the next day. Today, Day 4 it seem swelling has decreased a lot, soreness is better. Been massaging/rolling like crazy, use both the weighted ball from Avanti and the zen Hanger. Going through all the threads it seems like some places like to wrap the penis, some dont. Some strongly recommend extending some dont. Some recommend 7 days till sex, some 14 etc.

What is the consensus of how long till wait till sex? Ian said the product will be set in 3-5 days so after that what has everyone done in terms of stretching etc.

Hey just checking in for an update from you. I'm likely getting Ellanse at AD too, just waiting for the passport to show up. Funny how it takes 9 weeks...

Hope you are doing well and recovery went great.

Hello @jackets5

I understand I might be giving you my input a little bit late but we ask our patients to wait 15 days before resuming sexual activity.
I encourage you to contact us via our official emails so we can have faster and more accurate communication.

It was nice meeting you and looking forward to keep helping you with your GE journey.

Ian

it went really well. Had a little bleeding post procedure so Ian made me keep it wrapped all night. Was very sore and swollen the next few days. Made sure to extend as much as possible and either stand or lay flat. i was very diligent with stretching for the first 5 days the slacked a bit. but i was massaging all day. everytime i went to the bathroom and even went to bathroom just to massage at work. very pleased with the 8cc. the swelling has gone down and the Girth as well but im sitting at about 0.6 Inch gain from 8cc. about 4 weeks out. I plan to go back late this year or early 2024 for a second round. aesthetics are very good. a little low spot when Flaccid but looks very good and natural Erect.

sorry for the post Ian, i did wait the 2 weeks

Wow .6in with 8cc seems really good. Looks like a great experience with AD, I look forward to mine.

MoMoney wrote: Wow .6in with 8cc seems really good. Looks like a great experience with AD, I look forward to mine.

Remember to go into a filler procedure with conservative expectations - how our body responds to Ellanse or PMMA will vary person to person; example: you could have two guys of equal penis size injected with identical volumes and not necessarily get the same gains in circumference. However, they will both likely be within the predicted range of what's expected, maybe one guy with 0.6" and another with 0.85", and I think that's reasonable. Although Ian may have more accurate & up-to-date statistics, previous predicted ranges were 0.5" to 1.0" (making 0.75" the sweet spot, especially for a first round).

Typically you'll see less gains in subsequent rounds, but that's usually because less volume is used and/or the goal being touch-up and not strictly Girth.

I only iterate this to soften any lofty expectations that wouldn't be fair to either the patient or to Avanti Derma. Stick with what they recommend, Ian and Dr. Morales are more than capable of making a tailored assessment for each patient. If I had it my way, I'd want 2-3 inches in one round and call it quits -- and they won't do that because it would be unethical medicine, and will almost certainly look like a Frankenstein Dick.

Ian quoted me 0.5 to .75 for the 8cc. Also my length is slightly under 6 in. I need to measure again as it has been changing. 2 days post procedure i was up like 1.25 inches but had tons of swelling. i’m sitting at 5.25-.5.35 right now so im pretty happy. plan to go back in about 6 months for another 8 cc or whatever Dr. M and Ian recommend

Understood on the points above.

I expect to do mine in conservative stages. I think taking it slow and going by AD's recommendations is key.

I am late to this topic, but I'm pretty sure that I waited until about the 2 week to have sex each time. As for results, everyone is different; For me, on my first round, I stayed in a slightly "squishy" state for weeks. Mostly left over fluid and still healing, wasn't massaging enough, etc etc. Also, I was not at all at my full length for about a month, it was weird. My wife called it a chubby Cock. lol. By rounds two and three and had learned to control this faster with all the methods in my after care thread ; such as Hanging and stretching right out of the gate. Light compression immediately but not with tape or something like it. and lots of heat.

Has anyone who had Ellanse 3-4 years ago seen any loss of Girth? I haven't heard of a single report.

jrod wrote: Has anyone who had Ellanse 3-4 years ago seen any loss of Girth? I haven't heard of a single report.

They actually had 4 Versions of Ellanse and ended up getting rid of their shorter-length (I think it was 1-Year & 2-Year) versions because too many patients were reporting filler retention well beyond the manufacturer's projection. This might sound great if you have it in your penis, but not so much if you have it in your face, and as you age, the filler remains, and while maybe not noticeable to most, definitely noticeable to the patient who was already compelled to inject facial fillers in the first place.

The thinking right now is all about the collagen. There are collagen of the skin, joints, bone marrow, and many other places, it's really remarkable how common (and essential) collagen is to our bodies. Well (and don't cite this, I'm merely relaying musings of some Doctors and the Manufacturer as nothing has been clinically set in stone, at least that I know of), it appears the same kind of collagen produced with PMMA seems to be the same kind of collagen made with Ellanse. The idea was that the PCL particles in Ellanse would eventually break down but would last a bit longer than similar collagen-inducing particles like the ones found in Radiesse, making it a more attractive alternative for those who preferred longer lasting alternatives.

It seems as though the PCL may have very well dissipated, but that PMMA-type collagen in that kind of dense abundance lasts considerably longer, in spite of the absence of the PCL. This is a "shrug the shoulder" moment because well, Ellanse hasn't been around for a while, heck it hasn't even cleared FDA Approval yet (no doubt uncertainties about its longevity probably drags the process). I should stress that I don't think that designates it as dangerous, and I'd go as far as saying its safety profile ought to be on par with PMMA since they effectively work on the same mechanism: biocompatible microspheres suspended in some kind of gel carrier injected into a layer of skin in order to increase volume; only difference is that the PCL eventually gets removed whereas the PMMA particles stay with you forever.

It is presently unknown how long it takes for this amount of concentration of PMMA-like collagen will take to lose size. If you really think about it, Ellanse was made for the face, we're talking like maybe 3-4 cc's at most? The penis contains easily 10x that over the course of 1-3 sessions, which means there is a richer abundance of elastin, connective tissue, and vascularity, likely keeping the collagen going. In other words, this is uncharted territory, although fortunately there is nothing to indicate there is anything to be concerned about, at least not much different from most other fillers. Heck, for penis guys, it's awesome news in my opinion, but if you were a facial patient and got it with the promise of 1-2 years, yea... you have a right to be upset.

In a nutshell, at least as far as I know, it should be regarded as a LONG LONG TERM filler at present time. I'll reach out to my Ellanse providers and see if I can find out any updates. I'm also finding varying degrees of half-life's of different collagen types and they all appear to be rather long (many years), hopefully I can get this answered from an Ellanse provider as well.

jackets5,

Thanks for this thread. I just got my passport, looking to head down to AD in ~month, just have to coordinate time off work. I'll make my own thread. Keep us posted as things progress.