TOPIC: How long until the PMMA is settled??

Hey all,

I got my first PMMA procedure done on Wednesday. It's 3 days later and I'm still massaging every hour or so, and waking up every 2-3 hours at night to continue to massage it.
Essentially all the swelling is gone and all the holes have closed up.

The product still seems to migrate to the head of Dick and collect there. I have to massage it was harder to move it back down.

How long does it take for the PMMA to set, where I don't have to be so attentive to it 24/7?

When can you tell that the shape is set and isn't fixable?

If you've had PMMA injections done, how long did it take for the product to settle?
What were signs that it was no longer movable?

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Side question: It sometimes feels like there are sharp grains of sand in certain areas. Is this something I should be alarmed about or will they get covered in collagen and the pain will go away?

lb44597 wrote: Hey all,

I got my first PMMA procedure done on Wednesday. It's 3 days later and I'm still massaging every hour or so, and waking up every 2-3 hours at night to continue to massage it.
Essentially all the swelling is gone and all the holes have closed up.

The product still seems to migrate to the head of Dick and collect there. I have to massage it was harder to move it back down.

How long does it take for the PMMA to set, where I don't have to be so attentive to it 24/7?

When can you tell that the shape is set and isn't fixable?

If you've had PMMA injections done, how long did it take for the product to settle?
What were signs that it was no longer movable?

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Side question: It sometimes feels like there are sharp grains of sand in certain areas. Is this something I should be alarmed about or will they get covered in collagen and the pain will go away?

Likely 72 hours but I 5-7 days just to be extra sure. Rather than worry about it 24/7, just create set times with your phone's alarm clock to spend a few minutes re-adjusting. I recall using the actual antibiotic gel they gave me as a lubricant, made the massaging much easier. Make sure your hands are clean, especially if the entry points are not fully healed yet.

Those sharp pains you speak of, are they palpable in the sense that you can feel something grainy? Or is it just the sensation? I ask because I've had both instances (1) the ones that were palpable ended up becoming small nodules that were later smoothed out (and no longer an issue), and (2) I'd get mild random prickly sensations days & weeks after a session, and I just assumed that had to do with collagen & nerve growth since it always eventually went away (and I've haven't experienced it since).

@Skeptical_One Yes, I can feel something grainy. It feels like a little grain of sand or a piece of salt. If I rub it or pinch it, it hurts. I feel as though if I pushed it SUPER hard, it could cut through skin.

Regardless, good to know that it will go away

Thanks!

lb44597 wrote: @Skeptical_One Yes, I can feel something grainy. It feels like a little grain of sand or a piece of salt. If I rub it or pinch it, it hurts. I feel as though if I pushed it SUPER hard, it could cut through skin.

Regardless, good to know that it will go away

Thanks!

Oh if it's that palpable, it may soften but not necessarily go away for good --> it might need a punch excision. This is a quick, non-invasive technique to rid of superficial nodules. If you don't have a follow-up appointment planned, I'd just wait it out over the course of the year to see if it softens any, and decide then on any further action. That said, it's not an alarming issue and a somewhat common irregularity that comes along with filler injections (i.e. nodules).

@Skeptical_One Lets say it is superficial nodules, if I am planning to go back in November or December, is that fine to wait that long? Or do you need to remove them immediately?

lb44597 wrote: @Skeptical_One Lets say it is superficial nodules, if I am planning to go back in November or December, is that fine to wait that long? Or do you need to remove them immediately?

They aren't an urgent matter if you don't anticipate the excessive employment of your shaft (e.g. sex, aggressive masturbation, etc). I say that because the smaller nodules can be abrasive and can leave you sore if irritated. Otherwise, from my experience, the nodule in it of itself doesn't appear to pose any immediate risks. That said, I'm no physician and I'd strongly recommend you consult your performing doctor for definitive answers.

Copy that, thanks for the feedback!

so small nodules make it painful for sex if im reading that correct? and the only way to get rd of them is a follow up?

unknow1948 wrote: so small nodules make it painful for sex if im reading that correct? and the only way to get rd of them is a follow up?

Minor aesthetic irregularities are hard to predict and somewhat inevitable in my opinion, due to the unpredictable nature of collagen production & encapsulation. Two men with identical dimensions receiving the same volume of product may yield different results. This also explains why you'll have minor variations in texture and "feel" with even the most skilled inejctors. This also explains the importance of seeking out an experienced practitioner versus a "cheaper, local" alternative.

That said, these minor irregularities are seldom noticeable to the untrained eye and is rarely painful when used in sex, but can still happen. These matters can be "smoothed" out with follow-up visits but for some, may smooth out over time (this usually depends on the severity of the irregularity; very small nodules may smooth out where larger palpable ones will require intervention).
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Hello did anyone ever answer how long until the PMMA is settled and considered to be the permanent size you will have?

ajarren2299 wrote: Hello did anyone ever answer how long until the pmma is settled and considered to be the permanent size you will have?

Well yes, in the first reply to this thread I indicated that it can take a few days to a week for it to be settled. By settled, I mean when swelling & bruising has subsided 100%, entry points have healed, and neocollagenesis is in full gear (i.e. the making of new collagen) over the next 6 weeks. This likely explains why Avanti Derma will not allow follow-up visits until a minimum of 6 weeks have passed. So this indicates to me that the 6 week-marker is a general rule of thumb of your "final, permanent result."

I should also point out that I used Avanti Derma as an example to address your question, and it's worth noting that they use Linnea Safe and NOT Bellafill. These two use different carriers: Linnea Safe using a bio-compatible gel-like carrier which is broken down by the body rather quickly -versus- Bellafill using a bovine carrier (cattle-sourced collagen) which can take as much as a month to breakdown ( according to one Medical Journal publication ).

For Bellafill specifically, I've been seeing/hearing competing information on both its settlement window and its "final permanent result" window. This brand of PMMA (U.S. only) has only recently picked up in popularity, presumably due to it becoming more reasonably priced (when it first came out, it was very cost-prohibitive to inject the volumes required for penis enlargement, and was used almost exclusively in the face in small amounts). When I first heard of Bellafill (well before it picked up steam with girth enhancement), my initial concern was with whether or not the bovine carrier presented any challenges, both with respect to recovery & overall results. Fortunately it seems recent Bellafill patients haven't shared any information with the forums indicating any problems posed by the bovine carrier, and that's a plus.

I believe as we collect more information from both Clinics and the recipients of Bellafill over the years, we will have a better understanding of "when it's settled, and when you can say you've achieved your "final, permanent result."

Keep in mind, regardless of Linnea Safe PMMA or Bellafill PMMA, these projections are presented as ranges or windows of time -- this is because our bodies don't process, metabolize, or rebuild & repair at identical rates, and these time-frames are based on averages or upper-bounds, depending on who (Doctor/Clinic) you ask.

Awesome response man you are a beast thank you and thanks for your contributions I’ve seen, I am specifically referring to linnea safe I am about 7 days after procedure and it looks like I’m holding 3/4 of Inch and wondering how much more I will lose. Also I saw someone mention that if you only retained little less than half” on first round the second round may yield better? Obviously case by case basis just wondering if that is true in several cases

ajarren2299 wrote: Awesome response man you are a beast thank you and thanks for your contributions I’ve seen, I am specifically referring to linnea safe I am about 7 days after procedure and it looks like I’m holding 3/4 of Inch and wondering how much more I will lose. Also I saw someone mention that if you only retained little less than half” on first round the second round may yield better? Obviously case by case basis just wondering if that is true in several cases

There is no way I can tell. A lot of the immediate gains aren't just from the carrier of the filler, but the swelling. While the bulk of your swelling is likely gone now at 7 days, there is no telling if a tiny bit of swelling persists, which can skew measurements this early on (especially when we are talking fractions of an Inch here).

And like you said, it is case by case. While there are a lot of similarities in the recovery & growth stage, they are not all identical. Some have gained on the high end of the spectrum, some have gained little toward the bottom of the spectrum - but you will see absolutely see modest gains after your first appointment regardless. A lot of variables and factors at play to say anything with certainty 7 days out post-op. In the end just go with Avanti Derma's projection of a 1/2 to 3/4 Inch projection and don't think much of it till you hit the 6 week mark.

Avanti Derma typically projects a 1/2 Inch to 3/4 Inch gain and so you aren't likely to go any lower than 1/2 Inch. This is still pretty substantial when you compare any two cylindrical objects where one is a half-Inch larger in circumference than the other. You may very well dip some size post-swelling and continue to see some growth through neocollagenesis, so it is plausible your 3/4 Inch size may hold in the end.

That all said, I strongly recommend taking two mental approaches in the next 5 weeks:
(1) Keep gain expectations low. In other words expect to be ever so slightly under or over a 1/2 Inch increase in circumference. This way there is no disappointment, you got what you expected, and a huge bonus if you got more.
(2) Take your last measurements soon after you read this post, both Flaccid & Erect if possible. Then literally wait out the full 6 weeks (5 remaining) before you take your next measurement. People who measure obsessively often find themselves needlessly creating head-games for themselves, like going going through a roller coaster of excitement and disappointment. What they fail to realize by doing this (i.e. constant measuring) is that they completely ignore the fact that they've successfully gained a permanent & significant increase in Girth -- AND that it can be added onto in future appointments.

I speak from experience. I learned that constantly dwelling on gains and numbers during a stage (the time between I'm fully healed and the end of 6 weeks post-op) where there is nothing I or the Doctor can do was just wasted time & mental energy. Actually, there are some things you can do to improve your results -- if you have any bad habits (especially smoking), quit them at least for the next 6 weeks or so. Up your nutrition intake, and while I'm not sure if there is any merit to collagen supplements with respect to Girth enhancement, it wouldn't hurt to add them (be sure to find reputable suppliers). Avoid intense UV exposure (tanning beds or nudist beaches) as I've recently learned they can adversely impact Hyaluronic Acid (HA), and while I don't know if the true is same for PMMA, why risk it? At least if you are going to expend time, money, and mental energy, the aforementioned suggestions are a win-win, because either you maximize your gains, and if you don't, you at least made some healthy choices regardless.

If your penis is healing just fine and no new symptoms/side-effects come around, you're now just in a waiting game. Do yourself a favor and take a break from the forum, don't worry about measuring till the 6 week marker (unless you intend on Progress Reporting, which is always appreciated, but not ideal if you find you are the type who may obsess over minuscule or incremental up & down changes in size).

Good luck.